Direct Experimental Evidence of Lorentz Transformations

In summary: No way. Forget moving rods - start with the simpler case of a stationary rod. A part per billion means if you have it a few inches long you need the faces to be flat to within a single atom.
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Direct experimental evidence of time slowing down for moving clocks is well-known. With the advent of atomic clocks, round trip journeys taken by these clocks on slow moving(compared to light speed) jets show time differences with clocks that have not taken the journey.

But is there experimental evidence of length contraction. I am thinking of something like sending a large molecule through a narrow stationary slit. At room temperature(slow speeds) the molecule would not make it through the slit, but if they can be accelerated to ~10% of the speed of light, more of the molecules will go through the slit.

In this example I use a molecule since it might be easy to accelerate, but any projectile would do.
 
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Thecla said:
Direct experimental evidence of time slowing down for moving clocks is well-known. With the advent of atomic clocks, round trip journeys taken by these clocks on slow moving(compared to light speed) jets show time differences with clocks that have not taken the journey.

But is there experimental evidence of length contraction. I am thinking of something like sending a large molecule through a narrow stationary slit. At room temperature(slow speeds) the molecule would not make it through the slit, but if they can be accelerated to ~10% of the speed of light, more of the molecules will go through the slit.

In this example I use a molecule since it might be easy to accelerate, but any projectile would do.
Length Contraction was provided by Lorentz as the explanation for the null result of the Michelson Morley Experiment. Isn't that good enough?
 
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Length contraction would not help it going through the slit. You would need width contraction, which doesn't happen.
 
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Magnetism is a purely relativistic effect, and there are simple, ordinary examples of magnetic phenomena that have extremely direct interpretations in terms of length contraction. There is a nice presentation of this in the classic textbook Electricity and Magnetism, by Purcell. A similar and somewhat simpler presentation is given in sec. 23.2 of my book Light and Matter: http://www.lightandmatter.com/lm/
 
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"Length Contraction was provided by Lorentz as the explanation for the null result of the Michelson Morley Experiment."
But Lorentz was wrong. There is no direct experimental evidence of length contraction, but there is inferred corroboration.
For instance, as Russ suggests, the extended decay length of muons can be interpreted as the distance getting smaller in the muon's rest frame.
 
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Meir Achuz said:
But Lorentz was wrong
Lorentz was wrong about the aether, not about length contraction.
 
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Meir Achuz said:
There is no direct experimental evidence of length contraction, but there is inferred corroboration.

I suppose this depends on what you consider to be "direct." I would claim that the evidence I gave in #5 is extremely direct.
 
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bcrowell said:
I suppose this depends on what you consider to be "direct."
That is a good point. In some sense, the requirement for "direct" evidence simply means that the requestor is aware that there is experimental evidence but remains unconvinced by it for whatever reason.
 
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"Length Contraction was provided by Lorentz as the explanation for "Length Contraction was provided by Lorentz as the explanation for the null result of the Michelson Morley Experiment."
Do you think that Lorentz gave the correct explanation of the null result of the Michelson Morley Experiment?
 
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Meir Achuz said:
"Length Contraction was provided by Lorentz as the explanation for "Length Contraction was provided by Lorentz as the explanation for the null result of the Michelson Morley Experiment."
Do you think that Lorentz gave the correct explanation of the null result of the Michelson Morley Experiment?
What does correct mean? If it explains all the experimental results then you cannot say it is incorrect. The difference between Lorentz's explanation and Einstein's explanation is a matter of assumptions or postulates. Both correctly explain the experimental results. We cannot chose between them by any experiment. The choice is philosophical and we generally choose Einstein's because it is simpler, not because we can claim it is correct and Lorentz's is incorrect.
 
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With the advent of of atomic clocks in the last century we could measure small changes in elapsed time to better than1 part per billion enabling slowly moving clocks to show different times. I am convinced of Lorentz contraction, but I was hoping for some way to measure changes in the length of slowly moving rods to 1 part per billion.
 
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Thecla said:
I was hoping for some way to measure changes in the length of slowly moving rods to 1 part per billion.

No way. Forget moving rods - start with the simpler case of a stationary rod. A part per billion means if you have it a few inches long you need the faces to be flat to within a single atom. It means you need to control the temperature of the rod to within one ten-thousandth of a degree.
 
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Thecla said:
With the advent of of atomic clocks in the last century we could measure small changes in elapsed time to better than1 part per billion enabling slowly moving clocks to show different times. I am convinced of Lorentz contraction, but I was hoping for some way to measure changes in the length of slowly moving rods to 1 part per billion.

That's exactly what happens in the example I described in #5. The drift velocity of the charge carriers is ~1 cm/s. They length-contract, and the result is a measurable force.
 

Related to Direct Experimental Evidence of Lorentz Transformations

1. What is the concept of Lorentz Transformations?

Lorentz Transformations are mathematical equations that describe how measurements of space and time change when observed by different observers who are moving relative to each other at a constant velocity. They are a fundamental concept in Einstein's theory of special relativity.

2. How is direct experimental evidence obtained for Lorentz Transformations?

Direct experimental evidence for Lorentz Transformations can be obtained through a variety of experiments, such as measuring the speed of light in different frames of reference, observing time dilation and length contraction in particle accelerators, and studying the properties of high-speed particles.

3. What is the significance of Lorentz Transformations in the field of physics?

Lorentz Transformations play a crucial role in modern physics, particularly in the fields of special relativity and quantum mechanics. They are essential for understanding the behavior of objects at high speeds and in different frames of reference, and have been confirmed by numerous experiments.

4. Can Lorentz Transformations be proven without experimental evidence?

No, Lorentz Transformations cannot be proven without experimental evidence. They are based on Einstein's theory of special relativity, which is supported by a vast amount of experimental data. Without this evidence, the validity of Lorentz Transformations would not be established.

5. Are there any limitations to Lorentz Transformations?

While Lorentz Transformations have been confirmed by numerous experiments, they are not applicable in all situations. They only apply to objects moving at constant velocities in a vacuum, and do not take into account gravity or acceleration. Additionally, they cannot be used to describe objects moving at speeds close to the speed of light.

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