Degrees of Freedom for a Lagrangian System

In summary, the conversation discusses a system consisting of a fixed rod with a mass attached at one end and a second mass free to move along the rod and attracted to a fixed point by an elastic force. The system is subject to gravity and the number of degrees of freedom is 2, with possible coordinates being the angle of the rod and the distance of the second mass from the origin. It is suggested to use polar coordinates and assign a variable to represent the distance of the second mass along the rod, such as ##a## or ##r_2##. The first mass has a fixed distance of ##l## from the origin.
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Homework Statement



A long light inflexible rod is free to rotate in a vertical plane about a fixed point O. A particle of mass m is fixed to the rod at a point P a distance l from O. A second particle of mass m is free to move along the rod, and is attracted to the point O by an elastic force of strength k. The system is subject to gravity g. The constant k is given by k = mg/2l.

State the degrees of freedom and choose appropriate coordinates[/B]

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The Attempt at a Solution



I believe the degree of freedom is 2 with coordinates being θ: the angle of the rod and the distance of the second particle from the origin O. Although I am stuck on which coordinate I should use for that distance

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You are correct about the number of degrees of freedom. It shouldn't really matter what you call the position of the second mass along the rod, as long as you identify what you mean. Just pick a variable name such as ##a## or ##r_2## and write a description next to it telling what it means or draw it on a diagram.
 
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So would it be correct to use polar coordinates then?So then r would be the distance for the 2nd particle and it is related to the kinetic energy by x=rcosθ y=rsinθ and the first particle has fixed r=l?

Thanks for your swift response!
 

Related to Degrees of Freedom for a Lagrangian System

1. What is the concept of "degrees of freedom" in a Lagrangian system?

The concept of "degrees of freedom" in a Lagrangian system refers to the number of independent variables that are required to fully describe the system's motion. In other words, it represents the number of ways in which the system can move or change in a given situation.

2. How are degrees of freedom related to the number of generalized coordinates in a Lagrangian system?

The number of degrees of freedom is equal to the number of generalized coordinates in a Lagrangian system. This is because each generalized coordinate represents an independent variable that contributes to the total number of degrees of freedom in the system.

3. Can the degrees of freedom in a Lagrangian system change?

Yes, the degrees of freedom in a Lagrangian system can change depending on the constraints and forces acting on the system. For example, if a constraint is added, it may reduce the number of degrees of freedom, whereas if a force is applied, it may increase the number of degrees of freedom.

4. How do degrees of freedom affect the equations of motion in a Lagrangian system?

The number of degrees of freedom directly affects the number of equations of motion needed to describe the system. In a Lagrangian system, the equations of motion can be derived from the Lagrangian function, which is a function of the generalized coordinates and their time derivatives. The number of equations of motion will be equal to the number of degrees of freedom in the system.

5. How can the concept of degrees of freedom be applied in practical applications?

The concept of degrees of freedom is crucial in understanding the behavior and motion of complex systems, such as mechanical systems, electrical circuits, and even molecules. By determining the degrees of freedom, we can accurately model and predict the behavior of these systems, which is essential in fields such as engineering, physics, and chemistry.

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