Could observation determine the existence of mass in particles?

In summary, the conversation discusses the effects of observation on the behavior of a single photon of light in the two-slit experiment. When detectors are present, the photon behaves as if it has mass, but when they are removed, it behaves as if it doesn't have mass. This raises the question of whether observation can impart mass and if the Higgs Boson particle could be related to observation. However, it is stated that photons have no mass and the observed effects are due to "which path" information. The evidence for this statement is unclear and further research is recommended.
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Nick Saik
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I'm thinking about the two slit experiement. When you place detectors in front of the slits, the single photon of light behaves as if it has mass. But when you take the detectors away, the photon behaves as if it doesn't have mass.

Could observation impart mass? Could the higgs boson particle be observation?

We are looking at a such a small scale, that the very act of looking alters the action. A single photon of light only behaves like it has mass when we are watching it, because in order to "watch something" it has to have mass.

When we look away, the particle has no mass, because it doesn't need to have mass to be perceived.

We are looking for the Higgs Boson particle, but what if in a way, "looking" is the particle?
 
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Nick Saik said:
I'm thinking about the two slit experiement. When you place detectors in front of the slits, the single photon of light behaves as if it has mass.

Welcome to PhysicsForums, Nick!

Photons have no more mass (or momentum) from one observational arrangement than another. So no, the idea you suggest does not really fly. You might want to read up on the double slit a little more. This effect is due to "which path" information.
 
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DrChinese said:
Welcome to PhysicsForums, Nick!

Photons have no more mass (or momentum) from one observational arrangement than another. So no, the idea you suggest does not really fly. You might want to read up on the double slit a little more. This effect is due to "which path" information.



What would be the best evidence/experiment confirming the above statement and how certain is it? I've encountered it many times here and elsewhere on the net and genuinely wonder if it's true, as it would require a conscious, perceiving observer(information is only related to mind in this reality).
 
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Nick Saik said:
I'm thinking about the two slit experiement. When you place detectors in front of the slits, the single photon of light behaves as if it has mass. But when you take the detectors away, the photon behaves as if it doesn't have mass.

Could observation impart mass? Could the higgs boson particle be observation?

We are looking at a such a small scale, that the very act of looking alters the action. A single photon of light only behaves like it has mass when we are watching it, because in order to "watch something" it has to have mass.

When we look away, the particle has no mass, because it doesn't need to have mass to be perceived.

We are looking for the Higgs Boson particle, but what if in a way, "looking" is the particle?

Photons have no mass. None of what you described here has any indication of photons having mass.

Please start by reading the FAQ in the General Physics forum.

Zz.
 
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Maui, I don't understand what you mean by saying a photon acts like it has mass. Do you mean that it acts like a particle when the detectors are there, and like a wave when they are not? If you have a link to a reference, feel free to send it to me via private message, as I don't think it belongs here on a thread seeing as how it really seems incorrect.
 

Related to Could observation determine the existence of mass in particles?

1. What is the concept of "observation equals mass"?

The concept of "observation equals mass" refers to a fundamental principle in physics that states that the act of observing an object or system can change its properties, including its mass. This idea is based on the theory of relativity, which suggests that the observer's perspective can affect the observed object.

2. How does observation affect mass according to the theory of relativity?

The theory of relativity suggests that the mass of an object is not an absolute value, but rather a relative value that depends on the observer's frame of reference. This means that the act of observing an object can change its perceived mass, as the observer's frame of reference can affect the measurements of the object's mass.

3. Can observation actually change the physical mass of an object?

No, observation cannot change the physical mass of an object. The concept of "observation equals mass" only refers to the perception of an object's mass, not its physical properties. The actual mass of an object is an inherent property and cannot be altered by observation.

4. Is the concept of "observation equals mass" proven by scientific evidence?

While the theory of relativity and the concept of "observation equals mass" are widely accepted in the scientific community, there is no direct evidence that observation can change an object's mass. However, there have been experiments that support the theory of relativity and its implications on the observer's frame of reference.

5. How does the concept of "observation equals mass" impact our understanding of the physical world?

The concept of "observation equals mass" has significant implications for our understanding of the physical world. It challenges our traditional understanding of mass as an absolute value and highlights the role of the observer in shaping our perception of reality. This idea has also influenced the development of theories such as quantum mechanics, which explore the relationship between the observer and the observed object.

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