Converging sequences (different problem - can you check our thought process?))

In summary, the conversation discusses a homework problem where a child plays with an infinite subset of integers in a basket, pulling them out at random and arranging them in a sequence. The problem asks to prove that the sequence bn = 1/an converges and what happens with the sequence cn = a(n+1) - an. The solution provided shows that bn converges to 0, but cn does not necessarily converge. The choice of distribution for choosing the integers at random affects the answer, but regardless, the sequence bn will converge.
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Homework Statement



Suppose that a mathematically inclined child plays with a basket containing an infinite subset of integers (with some repetitions). If an integer k is present in the basket then there are initially |k| copies of it. The child pulls out the integers from the basket at random and arranges them in a sequence ak (a1 is the first integer the child pulls out, a2 is the second, and so on). He/she does not return the integers to the basket. Prove that the sequence bn = 1/an converges. What about a sequence cn = a(n+1) - an.

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The Attempt at a Solution


This is what my group and I came up with for our homework assignment - let us know what you think - thanks!
Given ε>0,choose a natural number M so that 1/M < ε. The set S = {k: |ak|<M} is finite, so max(S) exists. Let n = max(S) + 1. Then for all n > M, an does not belong to S, and hence |an| > M, and |bn|=|1/an| < 1/M < ε. Hence, bn converges to 0.

The sequence cn does not necessarily converge. For example, the basket could have exactly |k| copies of each integer k, and the sequence an could be the sequence of square an = n2. Then cn = 2n + 1, so the sequence diverges.
 
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I think you need to clarify what it means to choose "at random" from an infinite collection of integers. Assuming the collection is countably infinite, there's no way to assign a uniform distribution, so there must be some other distribution. But which one? The answer will depend upon this choice, no?
 
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Hmm, I guess the sequence bn = 1/an will converge regardless of what distribution is chosen.

Think about it this way. Given a natural number N, there must be some point in the sequence {an} beyond which there aren't any integers with absolute value less than N. This is because there are only finitely many such integers in the set. Each one either appears in the sequence or it doesn't. If it does, it must appear at some finite index. If it doesn't appear, then it is irrelevant to the problem.

What can you conclude from this?

[edit] - Sorry, I forgot to read your proof. Yes, it looks mostly OK, although be careful that S could be empty if the child didn't choose any small numbers. In that case, max(S) is undefined. But you can simply choose n = 1 in that case. Your counterexample for c_n seems fine.
 
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Related to Converging sequences (different problem - can you check our thought process?))

1. What is the definition of a converging sequence?

A converging sequence is a sequence of numbers that approaches a specific value as the number of terms increases. This specific value is known as the limit of the sequence.

2. How can you determine if a sequence is converging?

To determine if a sequence is converging, you can calculate the limit of the sequence by plugging in larger and larger values for the terms. If the resulting values get closer and closer to a specific value, then the sequence is converging.

3. What is the difference between a converging sequence and a diverging sequence?

A converging sequence approaches a specific value as the number of terms increases, while a diverging sequence does not have a specific value that it approaches. Instead, the terms in a diverging sequence either increase without bound or alternate between positive and negative infinity.

4. Can a sequence have a limit that is infinity?

Yes, a sequence can have a limit of infinity if the terms in the sequence increase without bound. This is known as a diverging sequence.

5. How are converging sequences used in real-world applications?

Converging sequences are used in many fields of science and technology, such as physics, engineering, and computer science. They are used to model and predict the behavior of systems that change over time, such as the trajectory of a rocket or the growth of a population.

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