Container with a 2 part mixture.

In summary, the discussion was about filling a container with a 2 part mixture (50/50), draining off X amount of it and then refilling it with only 1 part of the mixture. The container initially held 10 gallons and was filled with 5 gallons of water and 5 gallons of ethylene-glycol anti-freeze. After draining off 2 gallons and adding 2 gallons of water, the mixture was drained again and 2 gallons of pure anti-freeze was added. The question was what the current mixture in the tank would be. The answer was neither extra water nor extra anti-freeze, but back to 50/50. Even though the dad and son initially disagreed, they ultimately came to
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My dad and I were having a discussion about filling a container with a 2 part mixture (50/50), draining off X amount of it and then refilling it with only 1 part of the mixture. For example:
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Suppose we have a container that holds 10 gallons. We fill it with 5 gallons of water and 5 gallons of ethyline-glycol anti-freeze. (Yes, this discussion was born out of a real world scenario.) Now suppose we drain off 2 gallons of this mixture, add 2 gallons of water and allow it to mix completely. Then, we drain off 2 gallons of this mixture and add 2 gallons of the pure anti-freeze. What is the current mixture in the tank? Is it extra water, extra anti-freeze, or back to 50/50? At first I thought it was one way, then a different way, and when I did a little quick math/logic I determined that it was in fact it was neither of those.
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It's not exactly a brain-teaser so I thought it would be appropriate to post it in GD. I'm curious to know how all of you think. So please post what you would intuitively think the end mix would be without throwing math at the problem, and finally post what you find using math or logic. And please post the computed answer with the appropriate text as to not spoil it for others.
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Incidentally, dad and I didn't agree clear up until the end.

The final mix will be extra anti-freeze. The logic being that the first 2 gallons drained will be 50/50. The second 2 gallons drained is is extra-water. We went through a total of 7 gallons of each with the whole experiment and we know that the 4 gallon mixture outside the tank that we drained is extra-water so the mixture inside the tank has to be extra anti-freeze.
 
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I guessed wrong, but here's what I discovered.

30 iterations of the procedure are shown below (in volume):

5 5
6 4
4.8 5.2
5.84 4.16
4.672 5.328
5.7376 4.2624
4.59008 5.40992
5.672064 4.327936
4.5376512 5.4623488
5.63012096 4.36987904
4.504096768 5.495903232
5.603277414 4.396722586
4.482621932 5.517378068
5.586097545 4.413902455
4.468878036 5.531121964
5.575102429 4.424897571
4.460081943 5.539918057
5.568065555 4.431934445
4.454452444 5.545547556
5.563561955 4.436438045
4.450849564 5.549150436
5.560679651 4.439320349
4.448543721 5.551456279
5.558834977 4.441165023
4.447067981 5.552932019
5.557654385 4.442345615
4.446123508 5.553876492
5.556898806 4.443101194
4.445519045 5.554480955
5.556415236 4.443584764

After an infinite amount of iterations, the system will oscillate between (5/9 water, 4/9 antifreeze) and (4/9 water, 5/9 antifreeze) with each successive iteration. For all practical purposes it will show this tendency after about 25 iterations.
 
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I would approach this scenario by first identifying the components of the mixture and their properties. In this case, we have water and ethylene-glycol anti-freeze. Water is a polar molecule while ethylene-glycol is a nonpolar molecule. This means that they will not mix evenly and will form layers in the container.

When the container is initially filled with a 50/50 mixture of water and ethylene-glycol, the two liquids will form distinct layers due to their different polarities. When we drain off 2 gallons of this mixture and add 2 gallons of water, we are essentially diluting the ethylene-glycol layer. This will result in a higher concentration of water in the mixture, but it will still be separated into distinct layers.

When we drain off 2 gallons of this diluted mixture and add 2 gallons of pure ethylene-glycol, we are essentially adding more of the nonpolar molecule to the mixture. This will result in a higher concentration of ethylene-glycol in the mixture, but it will still be separated into distinct layers.

Therefore, the current mixture in the tank will not be back to 50/50, but it will also not be extra water or extra ethylene-glycol. It will be a slightly more diluted version of the initial 50/50 mixture, with a higher concentration of water and a lower concentration of ethylene-glycol. The exact proportions of the mixture can be calculated using math or logic, but it will still result in distinct layers due to the polarity of the components.

In conclusion, as a scientist, I would say that the end mixture in the tank will be a diluted version of the initial 50/50 mixture, with a higher concentration of water and a lower concentration of ethylene-glycol, still separated into distinct layers.
 

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What is a container with a 2 part mixture?

A container with a 2 part mixture is a vessel that holds two separate substances or components that are meant to be mixed together in a specific ratio or sequence.

What are some examples of containers with a 2 part mixture?

Some examples of containers with a 2 part mixture include Erlenmeyer flasks, beakers, test tubes, and graduated cylinders. These containers are commonly used in chemistry and biology experiments.

How do you mix a 2 part mixture?

The specific method for mixing a 2 part mixture will depend on the substances involved. In general, one should carefully pour or measure the correct amount of each component into the container, then stir or shake the mixture until it is thoroughly combined.

What is the purpose of using a container with a 2 part mixture?

The purpose of using a container with a 2 part mixture is to ensure that the two components are mixed together in the correct ratio or sequence. This allows for accurate and reliable results in scientific experiments.

Are there any safety precautions to consider when using a container with a 2 part mixture?

Yes, there are several safety precautions to consider when using a container with a 2 part mixture. It is important to wear appropriate protective gear, such as gloves and goggles, when handling potentially hazardous substances. It is also important to follow proper handling and disposal procedures to avoid accidents or contamination.

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