Can you use a Railgun to blast objects into orbit or reduce fuel costs?

In summary, the conversation discusses the idea of using a specially designed rail gun to launch a probe or satellite at a high velocity vertically upwards and then using a small rocket propulsion system to achieve orbit. The main goal of this idea is to reduce the amount of fuel needed for launch and potentially eliminate the need for a 3-stage rocket. However, there are several difficulties with this approach including the need for a push at the apogee and the destructive forces that would be exerted on the rocket. The conversation also mentions the limitations of using atmospheric lift or wings for launch and the potential for using a rail gun at different angles with the aid of a rocket booster. It concludes with two questions about the current fuel and G force requirements for launching payloads
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This was an idea I had when when learning about ramjets.

I was wondering if you could use a specially designed rail gun to launch a probe or satelitte ,at a very high velocity vertically upwards and then when the object is decelarating at 9.8 m/s due to gravity use a small rocket propulsion system to give the object enough thrust to leave the Earth's atmosphere and go into orbit. The main idea is to reduce fuel needed to get into orbit. It was also an idea to remove the need for 3 stage rocket.
 
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  • #2
Orbit is when you're at roughly 200km up and going 7.75 km/sec horizontally. Shooting straight up won't buy you much. Rail guns could possibly be used for payloads, but the g forces will kill passengers.
 
  • #3
An orbit at 300km altitude needs "only" 2.4km/s speed upwards, which uses to correspond to the launcher's first stage. The rest of the ~9.5km/s performance is horizontal. So all railgun attempts I've read of shoot horizontally.

A serious difficulty, letting me tell that railguns have nothing to do with going to orbit: you need a push at the apogee to stay in orbit, and this takes a rocket. But any significant speed acquired over a limited distance would destroy this rocket.

Imagine some gun giving 2.4km/s vertically, hence over a 2km deep well: it would need a uniform 1440m/s2 acceleration, effectively destroying the rocket, which must still be efficient and fragile to provide ~7km/s.

Even if shooting nearly horizontally: you can take a longer path, but want to provide more horizontal speed, and get similar impossible figures. Some designs want a (large...) circular accelerator to reduce the necessary push, but the centrifugal acceleration stays huge.

Acceleration distance is always a worry at orbital speed, precisely because orbital speed makes 1G over Earth's size. This ruined my hope of a winged launcher that would start from a high latitude and go in an equatorial orbit using atmospheric lift, as well as the winged launcher that would convert up speed to a horizontal one using atmospheric lift: too little distance. But at Saposjoint.net in the X37 topic, the winged satellite I suggested to change cheaply the orbit's inclination ("atmospheric agility") seems reasonable. As well, atmospheric reentry has a limited distance available because of our thin atmosphere over a curved planet; if coming back from Moon or Mars, with more than the orbital speed, you better have wings that keep you down in the atmosphere, giving you range to decelerate gently.

Marc Schaefer, aka Enthalpy
 
  • #4
Okay I understand why you wouldn't launch an object with a railgun at 90 degrees with hopes of getting orbit. But how using a railgun at any desired angle (with a much lower acceleration than 1200m/s ^2 to launch satelites into orbit (with the aid of a rocket booster) to get the satelitte into orbit.

2 quick questions

How much fuel is currently needed to get a payload of say one tonne into orbit ?

How much G force can todays rockets or computer equipment withstand without failing?
 

Related to Can you use a Railgun to blast objects into orbit or reduce fuel costs?

1. Can a railgun be used to launch objects into orbit?

Yes, a railgun is capable of launching objects into orbit. In fact, NASA has been researching the use of railguns for space launch systems since the 1990s. However, there are still technical and logistical challenges that need to be overcome before it can be used for this purpose.

2. How does a railgun reduce fuel costs?

A railgun uses electromagnetic forces to accelerate a projectile instead of traditional chemical propellants used in rockets. This eliminates the need for heavy and expensive fuel, resulting in significantly reduced launch costs. Additionally, railguns can be powered by renewable energy sources, making them more environmentally friendly.

3. What types of objects can be launched using a railgun?

A railgun can launch a variety of objects, including satellites, space probes, and even human spacecraft. The size and weight of the object will determine the amount of energy required for launch. Smaller objects can be launched at higher velocities, while larger objects may require multiple railguns and a longer acceleration track.

4. Are there any risks associated with using a railgun for space launch?

Like any new technology, there are some risks associated with using a railgun for space launch. One potential risk is the high acceleration forces that the payload and crew would experience during launch. Another concern is the potential for electromagnetic interference with other spacecraft or equipment in orbit. However, these risks can be mitigated through proper design and testing.

5. How does a railgun compare to traditional rocket launch systems?

Railguns have the potential to be more efficient and cost-effective than traditional rocket launch systems. They eliminate the need for fuel and can be powered by renewable energy sources. They also have the potential to launch payloads at higher velocities, reducing travel time and fuel consumption. However, there are still technical challenges that need to be overcome before railguns can be used for large-scale space launches.

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