A Bessel's functions of the second kind (Neumann' functions) deduction

In summary, the conversation discusses obtaining the Bessel functions of the second kind from the expressions of the Bessel functions of the first kind. The Laplace equation in circular cylindrical coordinates is used and a solution is proposed using eigenvalues and associated ODEs. The Bessel's differential equation is used to compute the Bessel functions of the first kind, and the need for a second linearly independent function is discussed. However, when trying to find the Neumann's functions using a similar method, the desired expression cannot be found.
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Homework Statement


I need to obtain the Bessel functions of the second kind, from the expressions of the Bessel functions of the first kind.

Homework Equations


Laplace equation in circular cylindrical coordinates reads
[tex]\nabla^2\phi(\rho,\varphi,z)=0[/tex] with [tex]\nabla^2=\frac{1}{\rho}\frac{\partial}{\partial \rho}\left(\rho \frac{\partial}{\partial \rho} \right)+\frac{1}{\rho^2}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial \varphi^2}+\frac{\partial^2}{\partial z^2}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Supposing that [tex]\phi(\rho,\varphi,z)=R(\rho)\Phi(\varphi)Z(z)[/tex] i get [tex]\begin{eqnarray} Z_{m}(z)=A_{1_m}e^{m z}+A_{2_m}e^{-m z} && && \Phi_{k}(\varphi)=A_{3_k}\cos{k \varphi}+A_{4_k}\sin{k\varphi} \end{eqnarray}[/tex] with [itex]m[/itex] and [itex]k[/itex] being the eigenvalues from the ODE's associated with Z and [itex]\Phi[/itex], respectively.
Then the associated ODE for the radial component is [tex]\frac{d^2R}{d(k\rho)^2}+\frac{1}{k\rho}\frac{dR}{d(k\rho)}+\left(1-\frac{m^2}{(k\rho)^2}\right)R=0[/tex] and defining [itex]x=k\rho[/itex] i get [tex]\frac{d^2R}{d x^2}+\frac{1}{x}\frac{dR}{d x}+\left(1-\frac{m^2}{x^2}\right)R=0[/tex] which is Bessel's differential equation. Using Frobenius method to remove the singularity, I'm able to compute Bessel functions of the first kind [tex]J_{m}(x)=\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}{\frac{(-1)^s}{s!(m+s)!}\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)^{m+2s}}[/tex] for m integer. Changing n by -n and removing the zero terms in the series for [itex]J_{-m}(x)[/itex], we see that
[tex]J_{-m}(x)=(-1)^{m}J_{m}(x)[/tex] so both functions are linearly dependent, and we need to specify another function of x linearly independent of [itex]J_{m}(x)[/itex] because the differential equation is a second order one.
Then, a common way to find a second function of a differential equation of the form [tex]y''(x)+p(x)y'(x)+q(x)y(x)=0[/tex] with a known solution [itex]y_{1}(x)[/itex], we can suppose that [itex]y_{2}(x)=y_{1}(x)g(x)[/itex]. After deriving [itex]y_{2}[/itex] and substituting in the differential equation, we get
[tex]\frac{g''}{g'}=-\frac{y_{1}'}{y_{1}}-p[/tex]
but if i try to use this method to find the Neumann's functions [itex]Y_{m}(x)[/itex], i cannot find the expression
[tex]Y_{m}(x)=\frac{\cos{mx}J_{m}(x)-J_{-m}(x)}{\sin{mx}}[/tex] which commonly one finds that it is a "definition" for the Neumann's functions. Any ideas?
 
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Correction

I'm sorry, but the last expression was [tex]Y_{m}(x)=\frac{\cos{m\pi}J_{m}(x)-J_{-m}(x)}{\sin{m\pi}}[/tex] Any kind of help would be greatly appreciated!
 

Related to A Bessel's functions of the second kind (Neumann' functions) deduction

1. What is the purpose of Bessel's functions of the second kind (Neumann's functions)?

Bessel's functions of the second kind, also known as Neumann's functions, are a type of special function that is used in mathematical physics to solve differential equations. They are particularly useful in solving problems involving cylindrical or spherical symmetry.

2. How are Bessel's functions of the second kind derived?

Bessel's functions of the second kind can be derived using a variety of methods, such as power series, integral representations, and recursion formulas. One common method is through a series solution of Bessel's differential equation, which involves breaking down the equation into a series of simpler equations and solving for the coefficients.

3. What are the key properties of Bessel's functions of the second kind?

Some key properties of Bessel's functions of the second kind include their oscillatory nature, their divergence at the origin, and their asymptotic behavior at large values. They also have a singularity at the origin and can have complex values for certain arguments.

4. In what applications are Bessel's functions of the second kind commonly used?

Bessel's functions of the second kind have a wide range of applications in mathematical physics, engineering, and other fields. They are frequently used in problems involving wave propagation, heat transfer, and electromagnetic fields. They are also used in solving boundary value problems and in the study of special functions and series.

5. Are there any real-world examples of Bessel's functions of the second kind?

Yes, Bessel's functions of the second kind can be found in many real-world applications. For example, they are used in the study of heat transfer in cylindrical objects, such as pipes and heat exchangers. They are also used in the analysis of acoustic waves, such as sound waves in pipes or in spherical chambers. Additionally, they appear in the solutions to Schrödinger's equation and in the study of electromagnetic fields.

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