3D pendulum-spring-damper (Lagrange)

In summary, the conversation discussed finding the equations of motion using Lagrange's formulation with the generalized coordinates of [x,y,z]^T. The position and velocity vectors were determined, as well as the kinetic energy, dissipation function, and potential energy. The generalized forces and Lagrange's equation were also mentioned. The accuracy of the potential energy expression was questioned.
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I need to find the equations of motions via Lagrange's formulation when the generalized coordinates are:
[tex]\vec{q}=[x,y,z]^T[/tex]2. The attempt at a solution

I need to verify whether what I obtained so far is true or not.

The position vector if the bob (from the support) is:[tex] \vec{r}=x\hat{e}_{1}+y\hat{e}_2+(L-z)\hat{e}_{3} [/tex]

And the velocity vector is: [tex]\vec{v}=\dot{x}\hat{e}_{1}+\dot{y}\hat{e}_{2}-\dot{z}\hat{e}_{3}[/tex]

The Kinetic energy is: [tex]T=\frac{1}{2}mv^{2}=\frac{1}{2}m(\dot{x}^{2}+\dot{y}^{2}+\dot{z}^{2})[/tex]

The dissipation function is: [tex]D=\frac{1}{2}C(\dot{x}^{2}+\dot{y}^{2}+\dot{z}^{2})[/tex]

The potential energy (gravitational energy is taken with respect to the support) is: [tex]V=-mg(L-z)+\frac{1}{2}k\left ( \sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+(L-z)^{2}}-l_{0} \right )^{2}[/tex]

The generalized forces (given in the original question): [tex]Q_{x}=F_{x}[/tex] , [tex]Q_{y}=F_{y}[/tex] , [tex]Q_{z}=0[/tex]

Each of these expression will be substituted into Lagrange's equation of motion:

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\left ( \frac{\partial T}{\partial \dot{q_j}} \right )-\frac{\partial T}{\partial q_j}+\frac{\partial V}{\partial q_j}+\frac{\partial D}{\partial \dot{q_j}}=Q_j[/tex]

Are those expressions, especially that one of the potential energy, correct?

Thanks!
 
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Related to 3D pendulum-spring-damper (Lagrange)

1. What is a 3D pendulum-spring-damper system?

A 3D pendulum-spring-damper system is a mechanical system that consists of a pendulum, a spring, and a damper, all moving in three-dimensional space. The pendulum is a weight attached to a fixed point by a rod or string, and the spring and damper provide additional forces that affect the motion of the pendulum.

2. How is the Lagrange method used to analyze a 3D pendulum-spring-damper system?

The Lagrange method, also known as the Lagrangian method, is a mathematical approach used to analyze the motion of a system of particles. In the case of a 3D pendulum-spring-damper system, the Lagrange method is used to derive the equations of motion for the system, taking into account the forces acting on each component and the constraints of the system.

3. What are the advantages of using the Lagrange method to analyze a 3D pendulum-spring-damper system?

The Lagrange method offers several advantages over other methods of system analysis. It allows for a more elegant and concise formulation of the equations of motion, making it easier to solve complex systems. Additionally, the Lagrange method takes into account the constraints of the system, allowing for a more accurate analysis of the system's behavior.

4. Are there any real-world applications of a 3D pendulum-spring-damper system?

Yes, there are many real-world applications of 3D pendulum-spring-damper systems. These systems can be found in various mechanical devices, such as shock absorbers, vehicle suspension systems, and even in some types of clocks. They are also commonly used in robotics and engineering simulations to model and analyze the behavior of complex systems.

5. What are the limitations of using the Lagrange method to analyze a 3D pendulum-spring-damper system?

While the Lagrange method has many advantages, it also has some limitations. It is not suitable for systems with large amounts of damping or for systems with non-conservative forces, such as friction. Additionally, the Lagrange method can become complex and difficult to solve for highly nonlinear systems. In these cases, other methods of analysis may be more suitable.

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